How The Irish People Were Psychologically Manipulated

Breaking The Covid Trance

This is an edited version of a transcript from a seminal interview with John Anthony conducted by Dave Cullen of Computing Forever, uploaded on 1st October 2020. John Anthony’s background in neuro linguistic programming (NLP) and hypnotherapy stands him in excellent stead to see the whole picture.

The Full interview can be found here.

The Narcissistic Model

You can look at it from an individual point of view where you have relationships going on around the country, and you have people who are abusive, and you have victims. On a slightly larger scale, then you have family dynamics, and you can have narcissistic abusive dynamics in a family. 

These are not psychiatric conditions. We’re not trying to label anybody here, were trying to find words to describe a model. We’re trying to put a structure on this, or a kind of map, so that people can begin to understand that there’s a very great preciseness about this, that there’s a predictability, a way of looking at this, and this has been known in psychology for quite some time.

Ross Rosenberg created a model called The Human Magnet Syndrome. And everybody is somewhere on the scale in this. On the extreme end of the scale, you have psychopathy — very manipulative people, who are the rarer ones. And then you have narcissistic people, who are self-entitled, grandiose and they are manipulators, you come down to a basic structure in their personalities and their behaviour that they’re looking for control, attention and manipulation. That would be qualities at one extreme end of the spectrum. 

And then you come to the centre, and you have most people in the centre, who are empathetic, who can have differences with people, who can be slightly manipulative at times. But these are ordinary people, who get on with life. They have a certain amount of empathy, they can say sorry to others.

The Narcissistic Personality

Up at the extreme end, you don’t have that: you have people who are very much afraid of being blamed, who don’t take responsibility for themselves, who are grandiose and entitled in their behaviour. And what has happened — there was a Dr Ramani [Ramani Durvasula] who talks about this, and she says that sometimes this becomes endemic in society, and we start to praise, and to get a value system around, hard-nosed people who can ‘do the job and get on with it’.

There’s a value system that puts the value on the hard-nosed achiever who manipulates things for themselves, and you put them on a pedestal.


People who have this psychopathic tendency, and on down the spectrum a bit towards the narcissistic tendency — they become clustered, that in other words they find each other in positions of power, because that’s what they like: control, positions of power and trust. And when you think back on the recent history of Ireland: you had the priests who were found to be paedophiles, you had the Tuam scandal, you had Brendan Smyth. You had people who were beyond reproach, and this was part of the problem.

These people were looked up to: they were the moral theologians; they were the moral police, the moral advisers. So, people of this nature — the narcissistic, psychopathic, that kind of nature, began to cluster in these areas. Now that was only one area. 

The Other End of The Scale

And then you go down to the other end of the scale you have the compliant, the empathetic, the person who wants to please people. And these would be the people who — when they hear the authority speaking, telling them to ‘Wear your mask’ — they would be the people who say, ‘we’ll pull together and we’ll do it.’ Because these people have great empathy for each other, for other people, they want to solve the problem. They want to please the narcissist.

And this is where the dance begins: the group at one end, the compliant, empathetic, want to solve the problem think that if they do it right this time the person that they’re listening to, the authority — the NHS or the HSE, the health authorities — or the politicians, will be pleased, because these are the ones that are rolling out the instructions: to tell us to wear masks, to lock up our elderly people, to not have freedom of speech.

Now, that kind of dance between the two types of individuals has a very precise and predictable nature about it. And I’m talking here about people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder — it is not a psychiatric condition. Anybody can live like this and never do anything much out of the way. But if it becomes something that overtakes them, then they can do an awful lot of damage. And that’s where you hear phrases ‘narcissistic abuse’: you often hear that in family dynamics.

Stages of The Abuse Cycle

In the first part of the relationship is what’s called the love bombing or the idealisation phase, or the identification phase, where they say, ‘Oh, you’re wonderful’, or, ‘Everything is terrific about you’, ‘We’re soulmates’. 

The narcissistic person, the abusive person, gathers information from the other person. Now, they do it intuitively, some of these people, they do it by default. Some of them can be very manipulative and do it deliberately. But a lot of the time, this happens because of the nature of the two personalities.

Love Bombing Phase

The cycle starts with lovebombing

Everything is great in the love bombing stage: the empathetic person feels they have found somebody that understands them, and listens to them, and the narcissistic person is listening to them and gathering information about this person, and begins to understand them and give sense to the information about them.

The second part of the process kicks in because the narcissistic person cannot maintain the persona. It’s a false persona that they produce: they’re massively insecure people, there’s no doubt about that; they need attention, control, and manipulation in order to validate who they are. This is very important: ‘I feel alive!’ and ‘I feel loved!’, but any kind of questioning, or any kind of criticism, by Jove, they take it very seriously. And they take what’s called ‘narcissistic insult’. 

In any normal intimate relationship, this begins to break down, because of the fact that you’re dealing with a false personality to begin with. If they understand that you’re interested in literature, they will have a book under their arm and it’ll be something along the lines of what they heard you talking about, and they’ll say, ‘This is very interesting.’ So they’re ingratiating themselves with the other person.

Now, this is on the micro level. We’ll come to the political level in a minute, because it’s exactly the same.

Think about that for a moment — that kind of ingratiation, that kind of love bombing — and think of the speech that Leo Varadkar made to the nation, and all the other speeches that other politicians made, when they were doling out the love bombing of, ‘We are with you!’ This was the phrase that he used in his St Patrick’s Day speech, when he spoke about the ‘coming calamity’. And he said, ‘And it will come!’ 

That’s on the macro level: you’re talking about society. That’s where you identify with people, and you begin to say, ‘We’re all in together’, and ‘We’re all together in this.’

Phase 2A: Victim Starts to Identify With and Please the Abuser

Starting to identify with the abuser

On the Ryan Tubridy Show: he was talking about looking in at Nana and Grandad and waving, and the children and they were all so happy — building this framework. And the compliant person fits themselves into their framework, and that’s the beginning of the second part of the process.

On an individual level, it can be six months or so. And again, because of the insecurity that they feel, they begin this process of denigration, the process of devaluing the partner that they have begun to target and control. And, because this person is compliant, he will begin to [devalue her] — we’re assuming here, by the way, that the target is a woman and the narcissist is a man, but it can be the other way around.

Phase 2B: Devaluation 

Devaluing or denigrating the victim

The abuser begins the denigration process, which is the control process, and he sees how it’s taking, he’s monitoring this all the time, and the abuse then begins to creep in. This is covert stuff when they begin the denigration process and the devaluing, but at that stage the compliant person — the impact on the empathic person, who’s doing their best to keep it all together — they’re beginning to get addicted to the narcissist.

Why? Because they say, ‘Well, he was so wonderful, and he did all sorts of things for me and he bought me this and that, and now it’s beginning to break down but they will make excuses for them. They will become an apologist for the narcissist.

The hardest person to convince that they’re in this trap, from a therapeutic point of view, is when you get somebody in front of you and they’re making excuses for their partner and they have a black eye. 

I remember working with somebody once who had actually been beaten up and they made the excuse, ‘I wasn’t so very good; I did this and I did that,’ and they were actually blaming themselves, and that’s what happens and that is so horrific to even hear.

That is the honeymoon period — you’re lured in and then you’re the soulmate and everything is fine, and then the denigration is covert and it’s also done in a way that it makes the empathic person, or the compliant person, feel that the other person is doing it for their good, right? So I can say to somebody: let’s say, if I was a narcissist and I was in this abusive cycle with somebody, I would begin to say, ‘Now, darling, you were never much good at that, really, if the truth be told. But I can get you help with that’.

We Will Now Support You By Terrorising You

Now, this seems as if I’m doing some good. Recall here what was done with the elderly in the beginning — ‘We’re doing it to keep you safe. Stay safe and it’s only a couple of weeks and we’ll get you through it.’ And some of the politicians came out and they said that these vehicles, all this extra security, Guards and soldiers — we’re having these vehicles … What were they for? Well they were to ‘support the community’.

Now, that is totally right in the centre of this process that I’m talking about. It’s the very same thing on an individual level. The abuser begins to put the person down. They begin to isolate them, This is a given, it’s a known sort of process, and it’s very predictable.

They begin to isolate them from their family. That’s one of the signs. They isolate them from their society. So the abuser would suggest something like, ‘We’ll go away somewhere and we’ll go to a different part of the country. And you won’t have to put up with those parents you have or those brothers and sisters you have. We’d be far better off on our own, and things will be idyllic when we get there.’

Let’s get you nicely cut off

When you do that, when you get there, this isolation begins then the abuse begins to get worse, because now they have you under more control. They have you isolated from your peers, from your family. On the national level, that’s exactly what they’ve rolled out: the second phase was brought in; everybody was being told, ‘You can’t go out.’ Older people that we held in our esteem, and people that we loved, Nanas and Grandads and parents. And one friend of mine mentioned, ‘I haven’t seen my mother in three weeks.’ This was kind of during the process, and he said, ‘It’s all this Corona stuff.’

And I said, ‘It’s not the corona stuff,’ quite openly to him. ‘I blame the lockdown. If you want to blame anything, blame the lockdown. That’s what it’s doing: it’s isolating people, it’s keeping them locked up. Forget about the Coronavirus just for the moment. That’s the first thing you [should] do, and then you take whatever precautions you think are necessary. But just weigh it up and blame it where belongs’

This is all evident for anybody who goes through the archives and listens for the last six months, from March until now. Listen to the interviews: listen to how it’s being said. Micheál Martin definitely said — I remember it distinctly — ‘It’s not the Irish Government that’s doing the lockdowns; it’s the virus.’

The abuse has begun, and it is very, very pervasive. They are instilling fear into the population. So the question is now, how exactly are they doing that?

Phase 3: The Abuse Increases

The abuse increases

The third phase is when the abuse increases, and you have things like abandonment

Ghosting: meaning that the person in the relationship goes away, they spend a couple of days away. The wife may not know where they are, and he comes back and says, ‘Oh …’ and, again, watch the language: they will never take responsibility for what they have done. Very often, they will apologise in one way and say, ‘I was away, but if you weren’t so picky, and hadn’t such a temper and nagged me so much, I wouldn’t have to go away, if things were normal.’ Now, all of a sudden, it’s the partner’s fault.

This is the third phase, the abandonment phase, which is where they can dole out abuse of all sorts. They can go away — infidelity might be part of it. And this is where the compliant person begins to hit rock bottom. Because they have been trying to do everything according to the abuser.

They have, in a way, abandoned their own experience and their own judgement, because each time that they do something, they’ll say to themselves, ‘Well, that’s a very simple thing. I should have known that he doesn’t eat steak for his dinner, and I put on a steak — and I forgot, really, and there was a blow-up.’

And now the person is beginning to enter into a phase where they’re so unsure of themselves, where the goalposts are constantly changing and where the confusion is mounting in them, and they do not know, because of this addiction, because of this ideal that they had about the person, that they had in the beginning — it’s holding the map in place. But they do not know, and they are beginning to blame themselves.

Scare Them Witless For Starters

The first way is with a fright, so you introduce something that causes fear — like, ‘The coronavirus is coming, it’s going to wipe out …’ I heard figures at the beginning like ‘600,000 people will be affected’, this was the projection. When you introduce fear, you can then suggest something to those people, and that suggestion will go in at a very deep level.

So we have to lock up our elderly; we have to stop people from working; there’s a whole list of things which they have done: they’ve taken away our free speech, they took away our traditions. We did it on the back of fear, so they introduced fear. The fear had us all running around: it’s the very same today, that fear is on the go.

Phase 4: Abuser Cycles Nice, Abusive and N/A phases

Good cop, bad cop treatment sows confusion in the victim's mind

Allowed today, verboten tomorrow

Now, the second one is where you introduce confusion. So I say to you today, you cannot travel more than two kilometres from your house. If you’re over 70, you can’t leave the house at all, and as I’m going along I’m introducing other things, and some of them don’t make sense, right? You’re asking yourself, ‘Well, how could that be? I mean, that’s not right!’ Now, the introduction of that confusion leaves you open to further suggestions, so that you can go in there and say, ‘Well now this is what you should be doing.’

I noticed when driving to the airport to get a flight that they had signs across the M1. They’d usually say ‘15 minutes to the airport’ or ‘Half an hour to the airport’, or maybe the number of kilometres. But what’s up there now? What’s right across the M1? And this is where programming becomes so invasive and pervasive in our lives.

‘Stay Safe’, ‘Hold Firm’ and ‘Protect Each Other’.

Now, that’s using every aspect that they can use to bring this fear-mongering, this control, into place, and that is at the stage of where you have introduced the fright. You have introduced the three things: you’ve introduced confusion, fear, and the last thing — and hopefully this won’t happen — but you introduce a stage where what they say that the bodily integrity is broken

In other words, somebody comes along and they are in a park they shouldn’t be in, or they’re on a train and they’re not wearing a mask and they refuse to wear it and the Guards [Gardaí, police] are called. And I heard Rowan Croft who had Melissa on, she had a child at home who needed pain medication, she didn’t have a mask. I think that was the issue, and the Guards were called.

Invading The Victim’s Bodily Integrity

So now the bodily integrity is beginning to get threatened. And this is one of the final places where, when everything is threatened, whatever is said goes in very deeply. And if you can get that going at a macro level in the political scene, then you’ve got the third thing, the third point by which people can be deeply programmed. So you’ve got the confusion, people trying to do the right thing, and then they say, ‘That’s not what it was last week,’ and, ‘No, I don’t like the feeling of this, they say they are locking us up.’ 

The Still,Small Voice of Reality

It wasn’t the coronavirus that did it: they implemented this stuff and they rolled it out, and this is what made people feel bad. This is what denigrates people, they come away intuitively knowing, ‘Yeah, I know they said that they were going to help us and they’re doing it all for us to protect us’ But something is ringing in the back of their head saying, ‘This is bullshit’.

Reverse-engineering of Therapy

Now, when you have that kind of situation, you can be taken by the narrative: the narrative is Covid, oh my God, you’re taken by it, and you go with the story. And when you’re going with the story, you forget to use your own intuition, your own critical thinking. And you go with the story because of the fear, because of confusion and because your bodily integrity can be also threatened, which is the Guards, security and extra vehicles.

That’s how programming is done. You do it in a hypnotherapeutic sense, you do it with the client sitting in front of you. But you’re doing it for their upliftment, for their enhancement, to empower them to do whatever they need to do, you do it for a different purpose altogether.

So wherever you have two people communicating, wherever you have societies talking to each other, this kind of interaction goes on in a very normal way; but when it’s done in an insidious way, and when it’s done with the government in collusion with the mainstream media and the HSE, that has my mind boggled, it really has.

The Three Minds

If I can just divert a little bit for the moment, to answer your question. The three minds. 

The conscious mind that we feel with every day of our lives, [when] we are consciously doing stuff. 

And we have the emotional mind and the reptilian mind. The reptilian mind is the most basic survival instinct that you can get. There is a very famous American hypnotist who says if you get control of the reptilian mind — if you can communicate with the reptilian mind — [then] the reptilian mind rules the roost.

It’s similar to when you’re in the house and you look down on the ground and there is a rope. And for that second, the reptilian mind will pounce in with that ‘Snake!’ It’s your survival instinct. It gets the message through to you, and then  you make a jump and you say ‘Oh my God!’, and then a few seconds later you say, ‘Oh, sure I thought it was a snake!’

So that’s the kind of scenario you have: the reptilian mind gets there first, it gets there in a nanosecond, before the conscious mind has made up its mind about anything. 

The reptilian mind in regards to programming, it asks the questions. 

Is it safe? ‘No, it’s not safe at all because you have this coronavirus and it’s going to kill and affect so many people, and we have 200 more cases today’. This stimulates the survival instinct.

The next question is, ‘Can I eat it?’ ‘Is it going to be of some benefit to me?’ It’s a reptilian response: is this going to be dangerous, or is this going to be safe?

And the last question, where marketing comes in a big way — they say, ‘Well, can I mate with it? They are the three basic primal things, and they get there before anything else, which is what keeps you safe: it makes you jump!


Now, if you have been programmed at this big level, ‘Coronavirus is coming, it’s not safe, it’s not safe to go outside!’, [then] you have elderly people and other people that won’t even go out shopping — to this day — that used to go out shopping, that used to go to the pub. They have no pub to go to now, they are isolated from their families.

All the characteristics of abuse have been put in place, and it’s control. And when you have that, it explains the ineffectiveness of you coming out with a statement that is just logical.

Conscious: your critical mind is just working, and you say the virus hasn’t killed anybody at the moment, [deaths] are down, we have no new deaths, even though we have new cases and the cases can be put down to the suspect test, the PCR test. And you say this, but that’s all on the logical level, when in actual fact they have been programmed almost on this primal level, this instinctual level. It kicks in, and that’s when you get this ‘Oh my God, do you hear what he’s saying!’.


The examples that I gave there, for instance, the ‘We are with you’ speech, then talking about the vehicles: there is a mismatch between what they are saying. ‘We are here to help you’; ‘We are going to give you all the backing that you need’; ‘We are going to pay you when you are out of a job.

But we are mounting up bills; we are also not going to tell you that your job will still be there in six months’ time. We’re going to close you down. We are not even going to allow you into the church so that you can praise God. We won’t allow you to sing, when you are in the church, even if you do have only fifty people at a wedding — or whatever the number is now; we won’t allow you to sing. The manipulation and control is there. That is what they are doing. Of course, they are saying it is for your good, but there is an incongruency. It’s a mismatch, and that’s how people get out of these relationships; that’s how people get out of abusive situations.

It is because they are being told and logically spoken to: ‘Look at all I have done for you — and you repay me like this!’, whatever the issue might be. They are playing on the guilt; they are playing on so many things. 

The same person could have put the other person into hospital with a punch in the face two weeks earlier, and his apology would be, ‘I’m so sorry for that — but if you weren’t so annoying, we wouldn’t have this problem!’ In other words, it was your fault that I had to punch you and put you into hospital. 

That is on a micro level; we are talking about relationships. It is a form of gaslighting, and gaslighting is another red flag when you see that happening.


The real virus is the hot air

In other words, telling you that they are looking after you, they are looking after every aspect of your life. They are going to pay you money. But you can’t leave your house. 

And when you are on your bicycle, you will have people who were told, ‘You have gone too far.’ Remember those comments? They were ‘gone too far’ on their bicycles out in the country. Right?! You have to put a mask on now when you’re going into every shop, and when you are travelling. It’s a muzzle, these are denigrating types of language.

The ‘deadly virus’ is another one. Everything to instil fear. I had a list of them here. Let me see if I can get them for you. Even the ‘frontline workers’ — that’s another example of where you are getting what is called ‘inferred suggestion’. In other words, ‘I am not saying to you that this is a very dangerous situation, but I will refer to people as frontline workers and I will praise them for risking their lives.’

DC: Despite the fact that there was so much evidence of not only empty hospitals, John, but these TikTok videos of dancing nurses in hospitals. And actually, to a degree, and on that point, John, of the dancing nurses: I have actually seen that there were examples sometimes in the mainstream media of them actually showing these videos as a sort of a light-hearted interlude …

JA: If you want an example of gaslighting, that is it.

You are imposing these restrictions; you are gaslighting the nation; you are telling them that it is wonderful, that the children are waving to Nana and Grandad, but they are in lockdown. You are telling them that these frontline workers … We’ll do a dance on the street. We have pictures of them singing in Italy from their apartments. It is a gaslighting situation. What they are saying to people is, ‘Do not refer to your own inner intuition, do not look at your own critical thinking; refer to me instead,’ whatever that ‘me’ might be. It could be the health authorities, politicians or the Gardaí — but ‘Make sure you refer to me’.

Rage Deception Fear

They are appealing to your emotional brain and they are appealing to your reptilian brain, by showing these quick images on the television. I saw it there last night: they had these quick images of people shouting and noise. So there is the rage and everything else.

Now, there is one very interesting aspect to this. Getting back down to the micro level again: in narcissistic relationships, the narcissist has a target. He is the perpetrator; there is a victim in it, even though the victim might be doing the dance in it as well, by being compliant and everything else, but that is another story. 

The aspect of this that I would like to highlight is that one of the red flags of narcissistic relationships — if you are looking to know how to recognise it — one of the red flags is that whatever they say that you are accused of, whatever you are doing that they don’t like, whatever they want to reprimand you for and make you feel guilty about, whatever that is — there is usually, usually a strong aspect of that very transgression in their own behaviour.

Get past the rage, get past the deception and find the truth. That is what you have to do, because that is what they are guilty of, right, and that is actually one of the red flags, because that is how they gain control over their target.

All media outlets are using the same language and they are getting the cooperation from RTÉ and they are complicit in this. They are using it in this way. They are not applying themselves to science; they are not applying themselves to having debates, discussions. It’s all missing.

They are not even asking relevant questions when they are in an interview situation. They will ask soft questions. A soft question would be ‘Well, how is the government now responding to the spiralling number of cases?’ That is a soft question. It really is, because there are a whole load of assumptions there. In other words, ‘There are a spiralling number of cases, which is deadly, and what is the government going to do to protect us all?


“Apart from the massacres, deaths and famines for which communism was responsible, the worst thing about the system was the official lying: that is to say the lying in which everyone was forced to take part by repetition, assent or failure to contradict. I came to the conclusion that the purpose of propaganda in communist countries was not to persuade, much less to inform, but to humiliate and emasculate. In this sense, the less true it was, the less it corresponded in any way to reality, the better; the more it contradicted the experience of the persons to whom it was directed, the more docile, self-despising for their failure to protest, and impotent they became” – The Wilder Shores of Marx


There is a philosopher, called Gabor Maté. He talks about Karl Marx and he says there are four ways four ways to alienate people.

In other words, when you are saying ‘alien’, the trick is to make it part of you, run against yourself, as it were. He says you can be alienated from nature, and the way we do that is we disassociate from nature, if you like, many times. You can alienate from society, and that means family, tribe, friends. Now, is this all ringing a bell for us? 

He said you can alienate people from their job. Now at the moment, they are absolutely running us into the ground in debt. There is going to be a flux of jobs to which people are not going to be able to return. Then they will find their money is cut; the so-called softening of this approach as well. And then, basically, he says, it alienates people from themselves. And this is what I am trying to do: reconnect people with their own experience. In other words, begin to ask: ‘How do I feel when I am locked down? Is that okay?

That’s alienating people from themselves. They have an experience, they have a feeling, they have a connection inwardly, they see the incongruencies, but somehow they mask the incongruencies that are taking place.

So, you have the wife that looks at this abusive husband, and ‘Yes, he put her into hospital a few times, he did this and he did that’ but ‘he promised me that he was going to go to therapy and it’s going to be all okay in a while.’ So they’re kind of addicted to this process of keeping the hope of changed behaviour, be it the politicians, be it a partner, be it on stage — notice you have the same thing. It’s the same programme, it’s the same predictability, it’s the same issue of how it’s rolled out.

Programming The Suggestible

And we’ve discussed the issues here, like different ways that you can programme people. 

There’s even a therapy, it’s called a primal intervention. It’s where people who are first responders, ambulance drivers — and they find that victims latch on to the information or the statements that they make to the victims in this circumstance — be it a crash, or [whatever]. And this is exactly what we were talking about before: the crash. The integrity of the body is damaged.

Ambulance people pick up drunks off the street sometimes and find themselves in these weird situations. And what’s said to people in those situations can be very profound and powerful. It can be more powerful than maybe a couple of hours of therapy afterwards, when it’s said in that immediate situation.

And this is what we’re talking about: to understand what’s actually being said to you and that it corresponds with how you feel about society. Hence your anger when you hear somebody, makes a point, and you say in response, ‘That doesn’t make sense,’ and they say, ‘you’re just being a conspiracy theorist!’

It’s well understood that in these situations, people become very suggestible. And then if you get them making their reference, their terms of reference are outside themselves. So the poor woman that’s looking at an abusive husband: she looks at him to see ‘Is he smiling, is he not smiling’, right? So the reference is gone from herself and now lies with the abuser, who can decide, ‘I’ll be good to her today; tomorrow I won’t be so good, and I’ll keep that lack of continuity going.’ That’s one way of controlling people: when you break down continuity.

RTE The Den – “It’s the injection we need”

That was a very important one, yes they were re-introducing Dempsey’s Den [vintage TV show for children], right? That’s what it was. And it was making some kind of a comeback in some sort of form or another, and the person that was reintroducing it was sort of praising it and saying, ‘I always liked that programme and [the characters] Zig and Zag.’ 

And then, in the middle of it — and it took me a while to spot this, because I don’t always spot it straight away either, [even though] I’m looking into this all the time — but what she said was It’s the injection we need.

There you have a little [instance of] what’s called an embedded command. It’s an embedded suggestion in the middle of a discussion that had nothing to do with it: ‘It’s the injection we need.So you can chalk that one up to whatever you want. What does that mean? What was being said to you, even thought it was covert and under the wire? So, talking about something like a TV programme — that’s exactly what you are talking about — [you get] these suggestions.

And another one was — again, just going back to last Sunday — there were either items of news on Sunday, there were eight items. Now, seven of them were all about the ‘worldwide spiralling cases’, ‘What’s the hospital capacity?’, ‘What’s the concerns the government has for the hospital capacity?’. It wasn’t asking exactly ‘What is the capacity?’, ‘How many do you expect in?’ there were no kind of really hard questions. But it was a suggestive question: ‘What are the concerns of the government regarding hospital capacity?’ — meaning that, when you go away, if you only just heard that alone, you’d be saying, ‘Oh my God, the hospitals are going to fill up, and they won’t be able to treat it’.

Bring On The Influencers

Next one on the list was ‘Can influencers’ — and this was a new one on me: ‘Can influencers turn the tide in young people’s attitudes?’ They didn’t say what was wrong with the attitude, what was happening with them. They were talking about ‘influencers’ on social media, getting young people to say things that they want them to say, so that they can turn the tide.

What was the tide? I don’t know. [The mainstream media talking point is:] ‘With cases worldwide spiralling upwards’ , ‘we check in with a worldwide leading epidemiologist ‘ — that was another, again, a headline leading in. And of the eight items, every one of them carried this message. ‘We talked to a GP [general practitioner, family doctor] and a business owner’ — and of course the GP came on and more or less was saying, ‘Oh, you have to cocoon’ and ‘If you know somebody who has it, that was tested positive — whether they had symptoms or not , or whether you were in total contact or not — you have to cocoon!’

And she [the same doctor on TV] said, ‘That means …‘you don’t go to school, you don’t go to work.’ And it’s for the person that was in contact with the person who was tested positive, as well as for the person who tested positive. So now, when you think of the connection and the number of people that you are beginning to talk to, [the order  is]: ‘Don’t go to school; don’t go to work, you know, and cocoon yourself for two weeks’, you’re talking to an awful lot of people. And this was being given out, this was all in the news items.

Human-interest Dross

At the end of the news, there was one of these light kind of end of the news segments that they sometimes do, a human [interest] story somewhere, something like that, and they were saying like, ‘Well, now we’re going to go somewhere and we’re going to talk to people who are mountain biking, right.’ And this was a statement she said — ‘And mountain biking is proving to be a tonic in these worrying times.’ They couldn’t even leave that one alone, they had to get in this suggestion that ‘we’re in worrying times’, and then she went on to talk to people who aren’t talking about the Covid at all, they were talking about their mountain biking. But the mountain biking, it was proving to be a tonic for these worrying times: no description, no saying exactly what was meant. I hope I’m getting across the absolute invasiveness of this type of programming and how the media — not the social media; the mainstream media are so involved in it.

If It All Stopped Tomorrow

But let me tell you, with all of this and what it’s done to people: even if this thing was to just magically stop tomorrow — ‘Right, that’s it! Open up everything now, life back to normal!’ — the damage that this has done to people’s psyche, their sense of trust: talk about what this has done, because you mentioned before — people who are in relationships with narcissists or even people who are maybe psychotic, what happens to the victim, what mental state do they have afterwards?

What happens is this: that even when they break contact with the perpetrator, they go through years of — it can be years, right; some people are different, some people are more resilient than others but it can be years — they might have developed a dependence on alcohol, they might have suicidal ideation, they could seem depressed, they could feel alone. The alone feeling very often leaves them open to what’s called vacuuming.


And what they mean by vacuuming — these are all terms that came in with [study of] narcissistic relationships; the vacuuming means that when they’ve done with you [they will implement] the fourth part — we’ve discussed three of them, [this is] the fourth part of the relationship — they will dump you, they will go and they will leave, and then the vacuuming is where they come back in and say, ‘I’m a changed man, and I’ll do this and I’ll do that.’ Even though the person knows the history — it’s in their consciousness, the history about the abuse, about what they went through — there is a deep, deep loneliness, right, and that’s the addiction, it’s driven by the deep loneliness that they now go through, because they’re not in a new relationship, maybe.

Maybe it’s because they went into a new relationship but didn’t address their own low self-esteem before doing that; they didn’t address their own boundaries; they didn’t address what was wrong with themselves; they kind of got it about the other person [but not themselves].

And this is the fourth phase: [abusers] leave and [victims] do whatever they’re doing, but then they might be connected with that person through children, they might be connected through property, through business, through jobs; they can be connected in various ways that hold them in place.

Recovering The Boundaries You Gave Away

And then they have to look at their boundaries: they have to say, ‘Well, what boundaries were there, what did I give to these people, what did I give away to them?’. And this really is an interesting one, because here you have to get people to be reflective about how they are giving away their own esteem, their own sense of reference, their own intuition.

We talked about incongruency before, where you become an apologist for the other person, even though they are doing horrific sorts of things. You become an apologist and you say, ‘the government needed to do something and they had to have that lockdown.’ 

And I even heard people saying, ‘I think they’ve taken the lockdown up too soon and they were letting people back to school too soon.’ I’ve heard this kind of thing, because they are locked into this thing. First of all you have to admit that you are complicit in the relationship — and this is a challenge for the empath, the person who was doing their best and who was a lovely person, they were trying to make things right, they were trying to fix the marriage maybe, the relationship.

The same goes politically for the people who are trying to be compliant, because these are good people that are going out and they want do the right thing. They are going out there and they are programmed that way, they have to look at [the issue of]: ‘Did I feel good about what I was doing, was there a knot in my stomach, was there something telling me that this isn’t right?’, and to look at these kinds of incongruencies and the whole situation, and then to start establishing boundaries for themselves.

Phase 5: The Flying Monkeys

Flying monkeys hit the donkey

What the ‘flying monkeys’ refers to, is where you begin to give away what you thought was right, to another person. And it’s so covert, it’s a bit like this: if I’m in a relationship and I’m abusing the other person and I want to control them, I don’t go to them and say, ‘I think you should do this.’ That’s very overt; people do that, but it’s not effective.

But what I might do is, I might go to their sister or their brother, or I might go to their best friend, and I’d say, ‘I’m really worried about that person, I’m really worried about John, he’s drinking a bit much or he’s doing this and that.’ And then they are used as what’s called the flying monkeys — it’s a reference to the [Wizard of Oz] fable about Dorothy and the Wicked Witch of the West: she wouldn’t do it herself, but she’d send flying monkeys instead — in the fable. 

The flying monkeys would go out on her bidding. So as the abuser I would stroke somebody else’s ego: I would take your brother or your sister, and somebody that I kind of got along with. These people can be very charming and convincing and say, ‘I’m worried about Dave,’ or, ‘I’m worried about John’ and ‘Just now, I think I’m at my wits end, I don’t know what to do, do you think you could have a word with him?’

Now you’ve got your flying monkey and their ego is stroked, and they think this is very important, and they would reason with themselves ‘I do love this person and I’ll go and I’ll help them and I’ll help this [gaslighting] man, he seems to be doing his best’.

Now, the flying monkeys in this case are the mainstream media and the HSE: they’re absolutely the flying monkeys, without a shadow of a doubt. Again, [witness] the statement of Micheál Martin saying ‘It’s not the government that’s updating restrictions; it’s the virus!. And that’s what they are being told, and that was his statement and he said it very forcibly. But they are the flying monkeys.

2020 will be denied in 2021

Also, I would say this, as a closing comment: I would say that we are very near to the end of the cycle. The cycle goes around: it goes with the love bombing, the idealisation, followed by the denigration, the breaking down of the other person, the maintaining of control, and the abuse begins to kick in. The people will deny it and they will say, ‘They are doing it for the best reasons,’ and all this kind of thing. I’ve heard these discussions.

Phase 6: Abandonment

The victim is cruelly abandoned as the abuser calls him cruel

And now we are coming to the abandonment phase. That is where they will possibly lock down the whole country, and they will give an excuse for it and all of that kind of thing. I think that probably is somewhere down the line, where the security forces will be called in to certain areas, and this is just based on this model.

We’re not even talking about coronavirus here, that’s on a logical level, but these people — remember that it’s like the fraudsters coming to your house — they want to stage something. It’s a different level of thinking. And [meanwhile,] you’re talking about the virus and the statistics and all the logical reasons you have for it. That just helps to introduce confusion, because they are not doing any of [that], and you’re saying, ‘Well, wait a minute: why are they doing that now when this is practically over and there’s no deaths?’, or whatever. That’s just the confusion. They will keep pummelling this into people with the fear and the confusion and the New Normal.

But the final part of it is this: that these people do not know when to stop, and the reason why they don’t know when to stop is that they don’t have much empathy for the Irish public, for the people with jobs, homes, families to run. They say they do, but they don’t actually have it, because what they are talking about is power, is manipulation, and is this control, and they like the attention.

What the narcissist gorges on

Control, manipulation and attention. They’re getting attention. That’s called ‘narcissistic feed’, and they bloom on narcissistic feed. So whether it be our Taoiseach, or our ex-Taoiseach, when he comes out and stands in front of the nation, this is narcissistic feed. Could it be anything else? At this stage, I don’t think so, simply because they’re not making sense any more.

But they don’t know when to stop, these people, because they’re not in touch with the people. They are not in touch with what’s happening on the ground, nor some of them — some of them, I say — do not care. This is not a diagnostic, by the way: we’re not calling these people [narcissists], we are only calling it a narcissistic model. We are putting it in a model [so] that people can see what’s happening; and when you see what’s happening, that can serve to wake you up a little bit.

And, as I say, we’ve touched on it. We have touched on the virus, we’ve touched on the statistics, we’ve touched on the nonsensical aspects of some of it, and all this kind of thing. But that’s not the purpose of this discussion. The purpose of this discussion is to wake you up and let you see what’s already happened: it’s already in our history, in our experience.

Rinse and repeat at higher speed

It’s there in this programme, and the final part of the programme is abandonment. What will that do? What shape will that take? Maybe some of them will have a go at putting the security forces in place, I’m not sure, but we’re in that phase now, because we’ve gone through the other three. And after that phase, by the way, the cycle can start over again.

So what happens there on an individual level — where, we’ll say, if somebody is vacuumed, is re-groomed back into a relationship — usually, what happens is that the relationship now goes through the same cycle again; but this time, it goes through it at a faster, accelerated pace, so the lovebombing will last a shorter length of time: it will go straight into the denigration and devaluing very quickly, and then it will go into the control and the abuse.

Phase 7: The Cycle Restarts

The cycle recommences with the abuser promising a fresh start

You’re waiting for this moment when the person will give you validation and say, ‘I’m so sorry about what I did there, and I’m mending my ways,’ and to actually mean it, right. That will never happen, but what holds you in place is the hope that it will happen. The hope that they will say, ‘We’re going to end the lockdown now, towards the end of the year.’ They will give you little bits of hope at times, and that’s what will happen, but the control will increase.

DC: Oh, yes. It’s very possible that they will even give people Christmas, right, and people will say, ‘Oh, aren’t they so generous to let us have this Christmas?’

JA: Yes! You forget that they are actually giving you something that was actually your right to have in the first place. And that’s the control aspect, that’s the insidious aspect of it: that you have given away all of this, and it’s like the Stockholm syndrome again. You have been kidnapped by this group, and then suddenly one of them comes in after torturing you or beating you up or doing whatever, and they offer you a cup of water and you say, ‘Thanks so much for that’, and then you establish this sort of relationship.

It’s a narcissistic relationship, it’s an abusive one, but you’re kind of locked into it, and that makes you very attached to the person that’s locking you in.

That’s what’s happening. That’s the whole roll-out of it, Dave, from beginning to end. We’ve gone through it. In one way, the model is very simple, in one way, but as long as you get it, and I hope I’ve described it.

Loving your own people back to sanity

If they see the model, if they can see what’s happening, looking at just the history — don’t mind all the stuff about the actual virus itself; there’s other people that you can refer to about that, like Dolores Cahill, Ivor Cummins, or any of those, or yourself listening to your programme; they will go through that with you, but that’s only the logic — but be aware of the deep, deep programming, the conditioning, the suggestibility, the hypnosis, the NLP, neurolinguistic programming.

This is what it’s called: programming. And when you look at it on the micro level and you see the relationships and how they pan out, and when you describe this model to people, I’ve had situations with people when they’ve sat back and they said, ‘Oh my God, it wasn’t my fault, it wasn’t my doing; I’m not guilty of this, I’m not mad.’ They have various terms like this, and it’s like a great lifting.

They still have a lot of work to do at this stage, but after that initial lift, you can see it almost transforming their face and their eyes, and some of them cry, some them smile. And it’s like a lifting that happens, and this lifting can happen to you, it can happen to anybody: all you have to do is understand how It was put in place, the programming that was involved.

There’ll be a moment, and it won’t come from logically working it out, but there’ll be a moment, maybe in a week’s time, when something will click in you and you say, ‘Oh my God, that’s what I’ve been doing all this time’. And that can release you from the bondage of abuse or the bondage of political tyranny. You still have a lot of work to do, or you still have to make it known — I don’t know what happens politically to change this, but there is a lot of work to do — but that is a great place to start.

It’s a map that will make more sense of your situation. If you’re out of breath and you happen to see on a map that you’re climbing a mountain and you were told you were on flat land. Well, it will kind of explain something. It’s not a diagnostic of anybody in a psychiatric way.

It’s just that we have used this narcissistic agenda, but it doesn’t mean that we are diagnosing people with narcissism or NPD [Narcissistic Personality Disorder]. They could be there too, but [this is] to make them see the pattern and release themselves from the bondage, and without judgement of anybody. If they just released themselves, just woke up to that, [that] would be a tremendous amount of good done. And listen, Dave, you’re great for putting it on. You’ve showed great patience with me, so really, I’m thankful for that: not personally for me, but just for the fact that it’s out there now, and that somehow it will filter out to people. And I hope they get something out of it.

2 thoughts on “How The Irish People Were Psychologically Manipulated

  1. (Please delete my previous – wrong email address!)

    Spot on sir!
    Some of us could see it a long time ago, those who have escaped the same dynamic. Exactly the same as an abusive relationship (no physical offence needed). Every single aspect. Even down to betrayal (contracts given to friends for track and trace etc). The flying monkeys are also those closest who have no idea that they are being played.
    Now, how to encourage the rest to see that they are stuck in Stockholm syndrome?

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